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Countertop materials

Lis and I went to Interior Stone in Waltham today to look at countertop materials. We already knew we would like to go with a quartz (a man-made stone-like material that doesn’t stain), so we concentrated on those.  This showroom has a good variety of brands — Caesarstone, Zodiaq, Hanstone, and Silestone; the only major brand not represented here is Cambria.  We pretty quickly narrowed the field to browns & reddish-browns; here is one of the better Hanstone samples.

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The reddish wood is a cherry sample we brought along, and the yellower wood (along the bottom) is oak.  The cherry sample is similar to the cabinet stain we’ve tentatively settled on, but a little more muted.  The oak is very close to what we expect the floors to look like.

In the end the sample we liked best is Giallo Nova from Silestone.

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You can see that this particular Silestone color has a pattern that’s both larger and more varied than a lot of other quartz, making its appearance closer to a natural stone.  The brown color also picks up the wood tones quite nicely.  Here’s a shot of an entire slab of this color.

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While at the store, we also took the opportunity to look at some potential tiles for the backsplash behind the range.  We wound up liking one well enough to have the store write it down for us.

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These are 1 inch travertine tiles, interspersed with pale amber wavy glass and metallic accents. Our thought is to do something like this behind the stove (please ignore my horrible attempt at color matching).

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It feels good to have finally visited the stone yard and made some decisions. We meet again with the contractor on Monday, so it seems this project is really starting to move forward!

Cabinet design

We met with Gina at the store today to nail down the cabinet design.  We spent a good 3 hours going over everything and I think we came up with something we’re happy with.

Of course, it’s not really final until we sit down again with our contractor, which we’ll do a week from Monday.

We’ve chosen a favored cabinet manufacturer.  To a greater extent than I anticipated, this decision was driven by by door/drawer front styles available from each manufacturer. Then we sat down with Gina and went over the cabinet selection on each wall. I’m particularly happy that we came up with what seems to be a nice solution for the peninsula area.

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What we’ll have is a square-ish countertop projecting into the main part of the kitchen, with legs at the corners, open underneath for casual seating and for storing stools.  The open space above on the right is for a microwave oven.

We are also pretty happy with the price.  If we’re able to order before the current promotions expire — or their replacements are equally good for us — we’ll be paying a few thousand less for cabinets than I had anticipated.

Decisions

We’ve had a few discussions and come to a few decisions over the past few days.

Lis had some good ideas for the area of our mail / charger area, in front of the plumbing & electrical chase.  Rather than a tall & narrow cabinet in the corner, with our mail cubbies in the next cabinet to the left, it would be better to have the mail cubbies as part of that tall cabinet, even if it means building something custom.
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The upper cabinet with cubbies on the far right would be flush with the lower cabinets, since it has to sit in front of the plumbing chase in the corner.  These cubbies would probably need to be custom built, either by the cabinet company or by our contractor (out of prefinished flat stock from the cabinet company).  Our previous plan had put the mail cubbies into the next cabinet to the left.  But this felt a little weird because it’s right by the sink.  This new arrangement pushes the mail / charger (non-kitchen) space into the corner and has a much better feel to it.

For our corner pantry, we will want the door & trim to be somewhat close to the finish of our cabinets — which at this point we think will be cherry.  To have this door be white like the rest of the doors in the house would look like someone just stuck a closet in the middle of the kitchen.  We’re not sure if we want this door to be all-wood or have glass.  There are manufacturers — TruStile is one — who will make a door similar to the other doors in our house, in cherry.  Finding moulding like our current door moulding in cherry may be more difficult.

Tonight’s realization — as I dropped the nice cruet containing my salad dressing and it shattered on our tile floor — is that we should do a wood floor in the new kitchen, not tile.  You’ll recall that radiant floor heat wound up being more of a premium in cost than we were willing to pay, so there’s no requirement for us to do tile.  We were leaning toward wood, but tonight’s broken glass cleanup pushed me over the edge.

Chase

As I mentioned on my Project 365 blog, I opened up the plumbing/electrical chase today to see what’s inside.  The answer? thankfully, not much.  The main plumbing stack is against the outside wall, as expected, with some power and phone/cable wiring twist-tied to it (I’m pretty sure you’re not supposed to do that 🙂 ).  There are also 4 copper pipes; I think these are hot side for the 2nd and 3rd floor heat, and the hot & cold supply for the 2nd floor bathrooms.

There is also a rather steely blue paint on some of the original plaster, and what I assume is original bead-board wainscoting.

Looking up:
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Looking down:
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This chase does not need to be anywhere near as large as it is.  By relocating one of the heating pipes it could easily be 12″ deep (same as an upper cabinet), and by relocating both of them it could be just a few inches deep, shallow enough to actually put something in front of.

Progress update

This week we met with the contractor again and have had a few back & forths with the kitchen designer.

On the contractor front, he’s off revising the draft contract to reflect the newest kitchen design, and correct some issues that were not what we wanted.  We came to some decisions:

  • The cost of radiant floor is above what we perceive to be its value for us, so I think we will be doing normal kickspace heater(s) instead
  • The “new” layout is generally better for us than the original one,
    and he’s proceeding assuming we will do something based around this
    design.
  • We will do a normal 4″ backsplash and paint above the majority of the counter, and a tall tile backsplash above the stove. The short backsplash may be counter material, or may be tile that matches the stove’s backsplash.
  • What locations for the prep sink are doable and cost-effective, due to vent pipe?
  • Since we’re probably not doing radiant floor, do we still want tile?  Or do we want wood?
  • What can we do for heat in the area of the coat closet, since the existing radiator will be inside the closet, and we’ve got poor access to the crawlspace under there to move any piping?

We’ve also signed a contract to do the design & zoning work for the sunroom. I did some trial furniture layouts and determined that the minimum useful size for us is 10×12 feet; 12×12 would be better, and 12×14 would fit better when taking the existing window/door into account.  Our Southboro sunroom was 12×16, but it also had what amounts to a hallway along one end, and the chimney taking up a pretty large footprint.  Based on sunrooms on several other houses in the neighborhood, we’ve okayed the use of a flat roof.  Flat roof, besides being less expensive, also frees us of some constraints from the 2nd floor windows.  Even though that’s more of a Federal detail than Victorian, I think we can pull it off with appropriate details, maybe something like this (the railing on the porch roof):
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Gina came through with 3D renderings of the new plan.  This one in particular gives a good feel for the space (though it’s missing the 1/2 bath door).
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Appliance trip

Slow project progress around here.  Our contractor is trying to finish up some other projects by Christmas and so we’re waiting on his availability to get the design stage really rolling.  I continue to make tweaks to the plan I posted about last time.  I think this will wind up being a better design for us overall.

We took a trip down to Yale Appliance in Dorchester today.  They have a higher-end selection of appliances than the big-box stores, and we were able to see some things in person that we hadn’t seen before.

We saw the Sharp microwave drawer.  I think that if the design dictates that we use this for space savings, it would work for us.
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However, I am still concerned that if it doesn’t cook well, or if it breaks down the line, that we’d have trouble replacing it in place.  This same display had an extra-deep upper cabinet above with a normal countertop microwave on a shelf, and I think this is probably a better idea for us.
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With the extra-deep upper cabinet I think the options are about a wash cost-wise.

We also looked at sinks.  Lis is not a fan of the appearance of a 0-radius sink — too modern. The P-shaped sinks seem like they’d be good for us, and a round prep sink would be a nice touch.  Neither of us likes farmhouse sinks. At all.

Yale has a big selection of refrigerators, especially high-end.  While a Liebherr or Sub Zero is impressive and I’m sure does a very good job, they’re too ostentatious for us, and too much $$$$ besides. We saw the higher-end brother of a KitchenAid fridge we liked at Lowes, and it adds some very nice features, especially to the arrangement of the freezer section.

Finally, we looked at range hoods.  I was pleased to find that Lis likes my current top choice (Zephyr Venezia) just fine.

We have one more field trip we need to make over the next couple of months — to the stone yard.  Other than that, I am chomping at the bit to get the design nailed down. I hope that after the holidays we’re able to pick up the pace a little.

GardenWeb

The kind folks at the GardenWeb Kitchens forum did indeed have a totally different arrangement idea for me to try.  This is just a quick post to share this alternative, which is a pretty radical departure from what I had drawn, and in some ways works much better.  We haven’t run this by the contractor yet.

This plan moves the stove and prep sink into what’s now the sunroom, and moves our bistro table to over by the foyer at a banquette.  It also gives us room for a small walk-in pantry in the corner.  And a truly enormous 54″ primary prep space between prep sink and stove.

I’m not happy yet with the “perch space” / hang-out seating in the middle: I feel like this should be somewhat of a focal point, not a plain rectangle as I’ve drawn it. And we’re not sure if we’d prefer the finished look of a banquette or the flexibility of an open space for our bistro table.

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Plan is evolving

Today I wanted to bring the blog up to date on how the kitchen plan has evolved over the past few weeks.
First, a reminder of the current layout:
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… and a floorplan of the whole proposed first floor:
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Now finally, the current kitchen proposal:
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The big changes since last you saw these plans:
1. We’re not touching the foyer at all.  We’re not moving the wall between foyer & kitchen.
2. The coat closet will be in the little room off the half bath
3. I’ve narrowed the peninsula by 6 inches or so for better passage space and better access to the upper cabinets above the perch space
4. Some refinement of the arrangement on the sink/stove wall

I have actually come full circle on the location of the microwave (drawer beside fridge).  It spent some time over by the dishwasher, but this is just too good a spot for it.

I’m also still screwing up my courage to post the above plan for comment on the GardenWeb kitchen forum for comment.  Having the pics published on Parkercat is a good first step.

Contractor selected

We’ve chosen a contractor!  The company we’ve referred to as “Contractor 2” is the same company that remodeled the kitchen of friends of ours several years ago.  Their estimate was mostly in line with what we were expecting, and more importantly, they seem to really get what we’re after with this project.

Contractor 3, while I’m sure would have done a good job, didn’t seem to understand our scope and goals quite as well as who we selected.  It made our decision easy that Contractor 3’s estimate was at the very high end of what we’re willing to pay.

I want to tighten up our preliminary design — which the professionals we’ve talked with seem to think is reasonable — and post it to a rkitchen-remodeling forum I’ve been lurking on. GardenWeb’s kitchen forum has a wealth of ideas and experience, and is populated by people who are passionate about kitchens.  In the time I’ve been reading that forum, I’ve seen a lot of folks post their designs and get good feedback.  The people there are focused on functionality first and foremost.  They don’t know me, and don’t know our house, so may well be the source of some out-of-left-field idea that fits brilliantly.  Or I may get nothing out of it at all.  Either way, that’s a community of people who are remodeling their kitchens and so are going through the same stuff we are.  Making myself known to such a community certainly can’t hurt.

Renderings

Gina was kind enough to go through my sketched layout and enter it into her system. It’s great to get a pro’s input, constrain the design to what’s easily available and typically done, etc. What I was not expecting is how useful the 3d renderings are in visualizing the space.  They’re by no means photorealistic and don’t reflect our choices for styles, materials, and finishes (which we haven’t made yet), but give a good impression of flow and visual impact.

In the first shot, we’re standing about where the new fridge is slated to go.
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There are a few problems here — in particular, the right-hand end of this peninsula is not at all the bar / hang-out area we had in mind — but you can see the vast expanse of work space around the prep sink, accessible from 3 sides, and how it relates to the rest of the kitchen.

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This second shot shows what it really means to this space to tear down the wall between these two rooms. You also catch a glimpse into the new, better-integrated pantry space (on the right).  I think the extreme perspective exaggerates how far away the fridge appears, but it’s worth checking into whether that’s going to be a problem.

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Here’s an example of how useful these 3d views really are.  We’re looking at the cockpit of the new kitchen — the area just around the stove.  The idea is that the L on the left gives us more storage there, as well as more work surface accessible to the cook.  It’s clear from this picture that to accomplish the latter, the stove needs to move more to the left. As it stands, the perpendicular section of countertop is a little too far away to be useful as a landing area.  I could see putting a cookbook or laptop there, but not ingredients waiting to go into a stir-fry, or a turkey that’s just come out of the oven.

We’re having 2nd meetings with two contractors this coming week, so with luck we’ll have two rough estimates in hand and can choose a contractor the following week.  Then the design phase of the project can really start in earnest.